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[livejournal.com profile] gryphynkit pointed me at David Weber's Oath of Swords. It's a fun book. I'm going to keep an eye out for the sequel. It draws on lots of the standard fantasy tropes without being a complete clone of Tolkien or D&D. I did sense some D&D influence in the metaplot, though:
Dungeon Master: Got your characters?

Player 1: I rolled up a Barbarian, and gave him a rank in Perform(Bailaika) 'cause I want to take a level of Bard later.

Player 2: I've got a Barbarian, too.

DM: [Looks at campaign notes, realizes the later adventures need a paladin] (to P2) You know, it would be really cool if you took a level of paladin.

P2: Nah, I don't like paladins.

Next session:

DM: You have strange dreams about being on a mission for the gods.

P2: I go the other way.

Next session:

DM: The head of the local temple comes on the boat and tells you you're destined to become a paladin.

P2: I throw him overboard.

Next session:

DM: A goddess visits you in the cave and says you'd make a great paladin.

P2: I tell her no.

Next session:

DM: The god of war appears and asks you to be his paladin.

P2: I tell him I don't like gods.

Next session:

DM: You're attacked by a huge monster. It's knocking down dozens of trees as it comes toward you. (To P1) Your Bardic Knowledge tells you it can only be harmed by divine magic.

P2: ALL RIGHT! I'LL BE A PALADIN!

Date: 2007-03-29 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphynkit.livejournal.com
:giggles: oh, so funny...:D

Date: 2007-03-29 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgund.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's pretty much it in one. Weber even jokes it came out of pondering what a half-orc paladin would be like.

I think the second book is a bit better than the first

Paladins of unsavory parentage

Date: 2007-03-29 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawn-pillsbury.livejournal.com
I ran a half-orc paladin for a while. Wyrnil Havarent. His mother's husband (she was raped, obviously) was a paladin and raised the kid to be one. Wyrnil himself was totally in denial about being a half-orc, and would react *very* negatively toward anyone who suggested anything of the sort.

He had special dispensation from his patron diety (obtained by his father, as Wyrnil certainly would never have thought that he was not fit to be a paladin) to get around the race requirement.

I thought it gave an interesting twist to playing a paladin, which is otherwise kind of boring ("What am I going to do today? Oh right, be lawful good. And chaste. *yawn* Maybe I'll just go back to bed.").

Re: Paladins of unsavory parentage

Date: 2007-03-29 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenite.livejournal.com
she was raped, obviously

Obviously? Couldn't a fertility god(dess) have poly paladins?

Okay, there's still the orcs-are-icky problem . . .

If the D&D campaign had kept going I was thinking of running a fertility-goddess paladin as my next character (given that my current one was just not trying to stay alive).

Re: Paladins of unsavory parentage

Date: 2007-03-30 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawn-pillsbury.livejournal.com
*paladin unsheathes sword*

What did you say about my mother?

Wives of paladins don't generally do the orc-slumming thing.

I don't think a holy warrior of a fertility diety would be a paladin, per se, even if the diety in question were LG. The chastity thing would be a problem, for one. But maybe I'm too 1st ed. here, but I think they'd be a holy warrior of some other stripe.

Re: Paladins of unsavory parentage

Date: 2007-03-30 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenite.livejournal.com
D&D 3.5 has paladins of all non-neutral alignments. LG is "paladin of justice", CG is "paladin of liberty". I figure a fertility deity has to be Chaotic. I mean, fertility, kids, chaos, no separating them.

Date: 2007-03-29 06:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sraun
They're all available as e-books from http://www.webscriptions.net if you're interested.

Date: 2007-03-30 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baka-kit.livejournal.com
Thanks a lot! I almost hurt myself laughing! :p

Date: 2007-03-30 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carbonelle.livejournal.com
***falls about laughing***

Do you still have copies of your old AD&D player's manual? If so, can you give the required stats for a Paladin?

If I remember them aright (and I think I do) I may have a proto-one.

Paladin stats

Date: 2007-03-30 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawn-pillsbury.livejournal.com
Straight from the book with the idol on the cover:

STR: 12
INT: 9
WIS: 13
CON: 9
CHR: 17

And must be a LG human. Ah, the old days.

Re: Paladin stats

Date: 2007-04-01 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawn-pillsbury.livejournal.com
It didn't have a prereq in for dexterity.

Re: Paladin stats

Date: 2007-04-04 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carbonelle.livejournal.com
Point. I could've sworn it did, but my memory's always been lousy.

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